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life.laugh.love
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| 08/25/2008 7:13 PM |
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2 start off with, i thought the whole masturbation subject would be in the book. but anyways, ive heard that it's normal for teens to do, and its actually so called 'healthy' by doctors and experts. but what does God think about this? i mean is it wrong or right? it has to be better then actually having sex though..... im not sure, i dont think it says any where in the bible that masturbation is a sin or not...... |
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Julie Fidler
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| 08/26/2008 9:20 PM |
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Well, since everyone else doesn't want to touch this one...
I don't think the Bible is specific about masturbation. I've heard a few references that were completely out of context.
I guess the thing that comes to mind is your thought life. If you're trying to follow Christ, then I assume you're trying to keep your thought life pure.
If that's at risk, then that's something to consider. |
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wjr1991
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| 09/03/2008 12:25 AM |
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| I think it's dealt with in the Every ____'s Battle books... I know it's in Every Young Man's Battle, and I think also in Not Even A Hint (aka Sex Is Not The Problem- Lust Is). (Julie- I was going to, until I realized that the book referenced was FYWO, so we're talking about girls here... and I'm a guy. That being the case, I think it improper for me to say more.) |
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Linda Crews
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| 09/03/2008 4:54 PM |
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| Hi there everyone. Yes this is a very controversial but very, very important question. It's so important that i actually contacted one of our big guns - our Christian Sex Therapists who teach and counsel on sex therapy from a biblical perspective. I submitted the general question about masturbation along with some more specific qeustions under that topic. When they get back to me I will post their answer in an interview Q&A format most likely. So if you have any more specific questions in this area, you can email them to me lcrews@shaunti.com or you can post it here on the forum and i'll get it to the 'sexperts'! You all are asking great questions and this is the best time to be asking them. |
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Linda Crews
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| 09/03/2008 4:57 PM |
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| wjr1991 - I love your comments and involvement in the forum. Did you know that the FYMO and FYWO forum is the same topics - it's co-ed. Whatever you post in FYMO is visible in FYWO and visa versa. THE FYMO book is on shelves 9/16 and the new FYMO full website will launch 9/9. Hopefully once that happens a lot more guys will participate. I appreciate your sensitivity to avoid TMI and to discuss such delicate topics with modest boundaries. I am working on getting more professional input into this subject b/c i think it's critical. More to come... |
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wjr1991
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| 09/03/2008 5:16 PM |
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M(r)s. Crews- I was aware that it's co-ed, I just apparently am/was not aware of TMI's pertinence to girls- I guess I assumed it's mostly (i.e. almost exclusively) a male issue...
I guess I have a lot to learn when FYMO comes out... I'll definitely be getting it as soon as possible. Cool, I was wondering when the site would be completed- I'll have to put that on a list of things to check out next week. |
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Most of the nearly two billion children in the developing world have inadequate access to dinosaurs. Some receive no paleontology training at all. One in three has never even seen a dinosaur in person.
OVPC is an organization providing a means to an end - an end that sees children in even the most remote regions of the globe being given the motivation and adrenaline to tap into their own potential, identify with the survival needs of a global dinosaur-driven culture, and to contribute to a paleontological world community.
Support the cause at velociraptorz.org |
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maddiegirl
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| 09/03/2008 7:48 PM |
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I don't think masturbation is a sin if you don't make it a sin. Like, I think it's natural, but if you spend too much time doing it, and thinking about it, then it is a sin.
That felt awkward.Hope it helped, though!!!
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^^@di$()N
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| 09/08/2008 5:04 PM |
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| Well I know that most people think this is just something guys deal with, and girls don't. But that isn't nesscarily true. Most teenagers (guys AND girls) do this. I'm wondering if this is wrong or right too... so thanks to Linda who asked the people. Can't wait to hear what they have to say on this subject. |
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Q
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| 05/05/2011 9:06 PM |
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| I've been wanting to ask this question for a while, then I went looking at some of the first posts on the FYMO website and found this, and instead of starting a new thread I thought this would be preferable (see Jojo, we do listen to you) |
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JoJo
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| 05/06/2011 6:33 AM |
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haha Thanks Q!
gosh it would have been so akward to bring up this topic again  just cuz it was so akward answering and discussing it the first time haha, but glad you brought it back up  |
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Turn up the music
Turn it up loud
Take a few chances
Let it all out
'Cause you won't regret it
Lookin' back from where you have been
'Cause it's not who you knew
And it's not what you did
It's how you live
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God Bless!
Mwah XOXO
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Q
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| 05/06/2011 8:35 PM |
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| Yea so guys (and girls) what's your opinion on it?? |
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JoJo
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| 05/07/2011 7:10 AM |
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i think there is another topic on it as well, cuz I remember answering it... unless it was deleted?? haha idk.
and I think Will had also given a big response as well, I'll see if I can find it... |
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Turn up the music
Turn it up loud
Take a few chances
Let it all out
'Cause you won't regret it
Lookin' back from where you have been
'Cause it's not who you knew
And it's not what you did
It's how you live
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God Bless!
Mwah XOXO
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clare
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| 05/07/2011 7:48 PM |
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| That is a tough one. I recommend reading "Every Young Man (woman)'s Battle" it deals with that issue and pretty clear on why it is wrong. I would quote some of it but I don't have the time atm |
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Nicole
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| 05/15/2011 3:06 AM |
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I feel like we opened another can of worms like we did with another topic somewhere around here when David was still posting.
The topic of masturbation? I think it's indeed a topic that has its debates going on. I haven't read Every Young Woman's Battle, but I should. For the most part, I already think masturbation not something to practice... |
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whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect -Mark Twain |
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JoJo
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| 05/15/2011 10:16 PM |
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i watched a dvd called "What teens need to know about sex" by Pastor John Burns.
it was really insightful, about this topic and others. I recomend watching that dvd. |
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Turn up the music
Turn it up loud
Take a few chances
Let it all out
'Cause you won't regret it
Lookin' back from where you have been
'Cause it's not who you knew
And it's not what you did
It's how you live
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God Bless!
Mwah XOXO
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luke
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| 05/18/2011 11:34 AM |
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| Since I personaly went thru a battle with this, I guess I could have some input lol. I say its not something someone should do....your very lucky if you can do it just once...because out of everything out there, it is easiest to become addicted...its really hard not to look at a woman and have some kind of sexual thought...but worst of all, it gives you a feeling of unworthiness..everyone thinks your this perfect christian teen, but they just dont know whats really goin on....but anyways, from my past experience with it, I would STRONGLY discourage someone from doing it. |
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Luke 6:48, (THE MESSAGE) "If you work the words into your life, you are like a smart carpenter who dug deep and laid the foundation of his house on bedrock. When the river burst its banks and crashed against the house, nothing could shake it; it was built to last.
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JoJo
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| 05/19/2011 1:41 AM |
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yeah John Burns talks about how when someone first gets into it, at first, they dont really know what's going on, then they feel shame, and think they can't tell anyone, and then get deeper into it, and addicted.
He says the best thing is for parents etc to make it comfortable for their kids to bring up the issue with them, or maybe talk about it b4 it gets out of hand, but in a non accusation type of way, cuz the initial thing isn't wrong, it just happened, but the continuation and the other stuff that comes from it, ie the dwelling on things, and fantisizing, thats whats wrong. thinking is just as bad as doing.
but how can someone know its wrong, or get help, unless someone speaks to them?
yeah, I know people (and I can't specify who, cuz of confidentiality) who have gone through, and are still going through it.
I think my first posts here were very strongly against it, and I know the conotations are wrong, but I understand we all sin, and though it's not acceptable behaviour, we need to be a listening ear and someone who can help, not someone who writes them off cuz they're a sinner (cuz, news flash, we all are )
yep... that was a very long explanation, and I'm not being mad while writing this, hehe, just trying to explain what I've learnt in the past 4 years |
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Turn up the music
Turn it up loud
Take a few chances
Let it all out
'Cause you won't regret it
Lookin' back from where you have been
'Cause it's not who you knew
And it's not what you did
It's how you live
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God Bless!
Mwah XOXO
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Q
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| 11/29/2011 5:06 AM |
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Haha, just reading through some old posts, it's been a while since I posted, but for the last 6 months I've been working on a construction site, and it's thrown the whole subject around, before I went out working I was kind of ashamed of the fact that I masturbated but since working on the site it's just not the same, I know people speak of how lust makes masturbation wrong, but what is lust, is it just imagining engaging in intercourse??
From what I understand about lust is that it is a desire for something that our flesh craves and we have no right of ownership to, please correct me if I'm wrong.
I believe it would be helpful to remove the context of sexual lust for a moment and focus on another form of lust (it will help by removing emotional predudices toward sexual sin), lets say for a lifestyle of someone of whom you have not attained, we've all done it (well I have anyway) looked upon someones lifestyle and wanted it, a nice house, beautiful cars, and georgeous clothing, known as envy or lust of the flesh,
so is it lust to walk through a mansion and admire it's structure and layout, or to go home and imagine sitting on the italian leather lining their lamborgini or for just a second imagine the sound of the V12 roaring just inches from your body, or to imagine attending a ball in your $8,000 suit sipping cocktails that would cost most a days wages??
Or is it lust when you see someone living that lifestyle and tell yourself that they don't deserve it, they wouldn't even know what hard work felt like, that you wake up every morning at 5:30 (or whever you wake up, but you're sure they'd wake up later), and go out to work hard in snow or blistering sun, whilst they sleep, is it lust when you begin to convince yourself that you deserve it, or at least that there's no-way they should have it.
Or does lust truly set in when you set about a way to get it, now I need to diferentiate between getting it the right way, working hard and depriving yourself patiently for the lifestile, or marraige for the sexual lust, but I'm talking about gaining ill-gotten wealth by evil means, or devising ways to cunningly seduce or maybe even (not me but obviously some) rape, so is it lust when you go about ways of stealing (for the simple) nice cars and expensive goods, or taking out loans to get these goods with someone elses money, so you can enjoy the lifestyle you don't deserve for a time.
I am genuinely interested in what people think lust is, the illustration is not to trick people into thinking my way, but a way of removing emotion so we can express what our heart may truely believe, where our morals lie, this is an entirely legitimate way of getting to our true beliefs, even biblical, Nathan used the comparism between wealth and sex/woman, to make David realise what he had done with bathsheba was wrong in 2 Samuel 12, so I would be interested in peoples thoughts on what lust is and why else masturbation might be wrong. |
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clare
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| 11/30/2011 12:46 AM |
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lust is the desire for the forbidden. God never said "Q you cannot have a big house" no where in the Bible does it say "you cannot drive a nice truck and earn a lot of money" but it does say "you cannot desire another man's wife or another man." You can look at your friends truck and be jealous but when you are looking at his wife, you can either think "I wish I had a nice girl like her" or it can be lust, since she is forbidden.
you can lust after your girlfriend, she might not be "forbidden" (well she is in some areas) but when your own physical desires are more important than the relationship or what is right, it is lust.
it's a fine line sometimes between attraction, desire, passion, and lust. in dating (courting) attraction is important, in engagement desire is important but must be kept in control, in a loving marriage relationship all of the first 3 are right and important, but outside a marriage relationship the other partner is still forbidden and can quite often quickly proceed to lust if you aren't keeping God the focus of the relationship and committed to purity. I don't think you can lust after your marriage partner, you can desire and have passion, but they are no longer forbidden and you aren't lusting after them. cheating on your partner is lust for the other person, not your wife. |
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JoJo
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| 12/04/2011 1:57 AM |
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Lust is desiring a person... Coveting is desiring someone else's possessions etc...
the first thing in the bible that comes to mind about lust is King David's son with his half sister... yep... basically it's always a story that's made me think how wrong it is to lust... |
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Turn up the music
Turn it up loud
Take a few chances
Let it all out
'Cause you won't regret it
Lookin' back from where you have been
'Cause it's not who you knew
And it's not what you did
It's how you live
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God Bless!
Mwah XOXO
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